A fight between two Enhancers. It's obviously against CA Palm. Her Hatsu is great and she is more durable thanks to her CA's body. I think she is stronger than Uvo.
What considerable effort ? Using their Hatsu is a considerable effort ? It's the exact same as Killua using his yo yo. Also, have you forgot Killua ended up almost dead facing against some of the weakest ants and division commanders ? While the Spiders were absolutely chill by the end of it.Killua can open 5 doors at his home at the end of the Ant arc but Palm is still physically stronger, so she has immense strength. At the Ant arc, Killua can pretty much kill fodder Ants without breaking a sweat just using his yoyo while the Spiders have to use considerable effort to do the same, so Palm will likely wipe the floor with Ubogin. Of course overall the power level is pretty much out of control by the time the Ant arc goes around.
This is honestly your argument ? Knuckle also stated that an army can stop and defeat the ants, so how does that make them different from the Spiders who wiped out over 2000 mafia members with ease and went on a war with an entire city? Are you saying the members of the Chimera ants Extermination team can fight against 2000 armed men ? Take into consideration that Genthru (who is stronger than most of the CE team) and his boys could have easily been defeated by a bunch of armed men (likely less than 20) who can't even use Nen. So not every Nen user can defeat an army of armed men, even if they can't use Nen. And Chrollo was never afraid of the Mafia, he told Uvogin that he is willing to wage a war against the mafia around the world, to which Uvogin answered with sheer excitement. He only faked his death to spare himself the nuisance.The Spiders are basically comparable to a strong criiminal organization. Kuroro had to fake his death to get the Mafia off his back and hire Ilumi to deal with the leaders. So while Spiders are a strong organization they're not even capable of having an extended war with the Mafia. The Ants under Meryem are strong enough to function as a nation and will shortly be ready to attack the entire world. There's no way a criminal organization is comparable to a nation, and thus the guys you pick to fight a nation level power must be way stronger than the guys you'd take to fight a criminal organization. While I'd argue Killua, Gon, and Palm have no business participating in the Ant arc, the fact is that they're considered as guys capable of fighting a nation level power by the end of that arc even in their normal state, which is way out of the league of Ubogin, who is still just a member of a criminal organization. If you're doubting Killua or Palm could beat Ubogin, who is a strong fighter from a criminal organization, why on earth would Netero believe these guys are of any help fighting an enemy that could destroy the entire world? It's true Palm was originally just there for her special ability, but after she got out of the cocoon she's clearly stronger than Killua in terms of raw power.
So what are you saying ? That Knov and Morel are much stronger than all of the Zodiac and are the two strongest hunters in the world ? Netero had no possible way of knowing how strong the Ants are, neither did Knov or Morel. Netero made the wrong choice, his boys were absolutely no Match for the ants. They required two traitorous ant to help them (Meleoron and Ikalgo), and it's only thanks to those two ants, the CE team survived that long. And even with these ants help, they were utmost pathetic and helpless against the Royal family. So yes, the nuke was his only bet, especially considering that he told Meruem that his men are weak and may have already been slaughtered by his Royal Guards. He only wanted them to distract the RG so that he may fight the King, he never thought or even considered they stood a chance against the Chimera Ants. Also, outside the Royal family, the other Chimera ants are but common trash. This is proved as even Cheetu who gave Morel trouble was pathetically one shotted by Silva who had trouble against Chrollo even with Zeno at his back. That just shows where the Extermination team stands compared to the spiders. And one last thing, Killua who slaughtered a whole squad was still nothing but a joke against Illumi, who is likely weaker than Hisoka, and Hisoka is just another Phantom Troupe member.I don't like to compare characters in the Ant arc to characters before it, because characters in the Ant arc must absolutely wipe the floor against characters outside it, or otherwise the conclusion you get is that Netero was a fool to bring a bunch of scrubs while the fate of the world is at stake, or that having nukes solve all your problem so you can bring all the scrubs you want.
As far as fighting goes all palm has is pretty much a straight punch too though. Her hair armor does not really enhance offense, it enhances defense. And overall I agree, palm's attacks did not even significantly harm killua. Uvo is most likely physically superior to killua even today and has an enormously powerful nen. If killua takes a big bang impact he would get obliterated, it wouldn't be a situation of him being at a disadvantage. Uvo was incredibly power and on top of that he actually was a smart fighter.I don't really see how Uvo could beat Palm to be honest. Other than her CA body which is even more resistant thanks to her Nen category and her armor she has Wink Blue. It means Uvo won't be able to attack her by surprise. BBI can probably damage her, but Uvo can't one-shot her. Palm has strength, durability and can see Uvo perform all his attacks, BBI is powerful put it's just a straight punch.
Kuroro poured his nen into the knife, presumably. I'm guessing that even weapons that are enhanced have a breaking point, and its breaking point is dependent on the material/expertise of construction. No idea what trick the maker of the benz knife employed, but it should be assumed that the knife is not some kind of run of the mill weapon, and certainly not equivalent to some run of the mill firearm.So far as technology goes, they have tanks and they have fighter jets in the world of HXH. If a special knife can harm an aura user then you'd think military grade weapons ought to be able to hurt an aura user very easily, because it's not like the knife was constructed by some exotic material or technology. If it's just a quality of the item, it's hard to imagine most guns somehow have less penetrating power than the best made knives. Even if it's something like the knife is aura-coated as a function of the weapon's maker (which can't be everything there is because obviously any weapon used by an aura user is aura-coated by its user but not every random weapon used by an aura user could harm Silva) then it's just a matter of getting someone to infuse aura into all your ammunition. Of course in that scenario it'd be pretty silly too since that'd mean if they had some aura-infused sniper rounds Ubogin might've died in a single shot in the head.
Who knows whether these guys use nen or not? It was shown early in the manga that some politicians subconsciously use nen. And of course nen users who specialize in combat may of course willingly make themselves subservient to those who serve a greater purpose.Overall I'd say the reason why aura users appear strong is because their existence is relatively unknown so your average guy isn't aware of the tactics required to defeat them. But at the army level certainly they will have someone who knows how to deal with these guys, otherwise there's no way the world of HXH can even function as all the head of state ought to be aura users just because otherwise you'd have already been killed by one.
Didn't Franklin gun down dozens of helicopters?Again I'd like to point out that there's probably a reason why helicopters don't exist in HXH, because if they do it'd make the whole notion of aura user able to fight an army a joke. We know aura users are not capable of hitting aerial targets in a standoff distance with just aura alone, because if they can have an attack that does significant damage from that far away, they'd fight like Dragonball and just lob aura blasts at enemies barely in visual range. A helicopter can easily track an aura user's movement (they're slower than cars over any reasonable distance, which is why Spiders drive cars to chase down Kurapika) and I don't see how a 30mm chain gun can possibly do less damage than some special knife Kuroro managed to buy. Unless an aura user picks up a Stinger or whatever, there's virtually no way they can deal with a single helicopter piloted by someone who knows what he's dealing with, so an aura user is strictly weaker than a vehicle specialized for anti-ground warfare. Sure helicopters conveniently don't seem to exist in HXH, but that puts a rather low upper bound on what an aura user can do against an army.
Who the hell told you that? Maybe they'd beat weak nen users but they aren't doing shit to any experienced nen users unless they come with chemical weapons, air strikes, roses, and some amazing strategy. Otherwise they'd get demolished.There's a huge difference between 'guys with big guns' and a professional army. Unfortunately HXH did a very poor job trying to convey the said difference. A professional army is supposed to wipe the floor with aura users, which is why when the team of the world's most capable Hunters failed to stop Meryem, Knuckle's solution was to get a professional army. Of course you would never be able to tell that based on the story. Although there's this fascination with Mafia being powerful, they're not even professional murderers, like they said themselves. The mercenaries hired to guard the GI games are likely significantly stronger, and a professional army stronger still.
Are you serious? First off idk why u don't think the HxH world doesn't have helicopters just bcuz togashi hasn't drawn any. Second off idk why u think a helicopter can kill a hypersonic nen user, thats one of the most completely absurd things i've ever heard. Also why is it absurd that killua can destroy fighter jets when you know he uses LIGHTNING and can move and react at the speed of lightning. I can see what ur saying that if nen users are so powerful why haven't they taken over the world but your forgetting all the tools a modern military has at their disposal (u know like chemical weapons, biological weapons, napalm air strikes, white phospherous shells, moabs if they exist in hxh, and those nukes called roses. Hell u can pretty much kill even the strongest nen user with a rose evidenced by what happened to meruem). U also forget other nen users can also fight each other and government can send their own nen users to kill them or just hire someone from the association. I can still see what ur saying that they could have taken over b4 all this technology but we don't know how adept ppl were with nen back then. For all we know no one had created until a system for identifying, categorizing, and training nen until very recently to the timeline of the manga (like 100 years ago for something). B4 then maybe ppl who unlocked nen didn't even no they could make hatsu or make a proper one, or put conditions on them. The hunter association is probably a recently made organization too after nen became streamlined now that ppl had a proper system to learn it under.The American army is widely believed to be able to fight the rest of the world's combined military might and still win in a conventional warfare. The American militia would have a hard time defeating the Canadian army if Canada invaded. It's pretty convenient that the world of HXH does not have helicopters because if helicopters exist in the world of HXH, you'd pretty much only need one heiocopter to take down any aura user because there's no way aura techniques can hit a helicopter in a standoff distance (if they can people should be able to fight each other via very long distances like Dragonball) and it's just a matter of time before you get gunned down. NRA enthuaists are probably more skilled with firearms than the Mafia. Whether in the world of HXH or real life, the point is not that the Mafia can even hold off a police force with some special teams let alone an army. It's that Mafia has connections to the government so they don't have to worry about fighting even a militia level entity (e.g. the police + SWAT team) because they will definitely lose.
Of course I realize Killua also said he can stop tanks and fighter jets, which is actually quite absurd when you think about it. If he can stop fighter jets that means he must be able to throw projectiles a distance of perhaps in the kilometer range and still retain their full power. Perhaps what makes HXH especially worse is that at some level it tries to acknowledge the fact that military might is far superior to superpowers, except it totally failed to make it some convincing. Compared to most shonen that just always assumed military might is irrelevent implicitly.
If it is so hard to defeat aura users, the world would be ruled by aura users by now. In particular the Hunter's Association, which is clearly the strongest organization when it comes to a group of aura users, would have no reason to need to take orders from anyone, and yet Netero said the Hunter's Association will take the responsibility for all the dirty work needed to defeat Meryem, which means they're still subservient to a nation-level entity (most liklely the equivalent of UN). That is, if someone caught the detail that a Rose was used, you can bet it's the Hunter's Association that will take the fall out, not whoever actually supplied the said weapon to Netero.
Are u serious dude? Did you miss the part where he easily one shot multiple chimera ants and nen users with durability higher than wall level? Or when he EASILY ripped off Netero limbs where as Netero is a character with some of the strongest nen and durability in the series or did you just miss that? Going off his huge amount of nen and power alone he is casually multi-city block level.In HXH we have both unreliable overall measurement of power (e.g. Meryem displays power by smashing walls, which is the same as Gon in Yorknew)
Uvogin single handedly took out half of the Shadow Beasts, the "muscle" of the Mafia - they are more then capable of waging war. Zeno told the mafia brass that, even if he were to give them all back their weapons, he could still kill them all in 7 seconds. And he, tag-teaming with Silva (who is the head of Zoldyck family, and thus at least on par with Zeno), was unable to kill Chrollo when Chrollo wasn't even blood-lusted. So you're dead wrong there.So while Spiders are a strong organization they're not even capable of having an extended war with the Mafia.
Gon and Killua only ever get into one v. one confrontations with Soldier and Officer level Chimera Ants - they never go into direct one v. one with Squadron Leaders or Royals.At the Ant arc, Killua can pretty much kill fodder Ants without breaking a sweat just using his yoyo while the Spiders have to use considerable effort to do the same.
What army? In the hunter exam? Killua could do it, because he can do it with or without Nen. You can't compare those guys to armed - to the teeth - men. Again, a normal army with a lazy ass commander would have been capable of killing Genthru and his boys, and they were far above Killua (at least, Genthru was). Sub, a first-class Nen user got taken out by a yo yo, and he has a higher Nen volume the Killua. A yo yo is obviously and ridiculously inferior to a Bazooka so...yeah. Killua taking an armed army isn't happening.Uvo has been hurt by Bazooka but it can't kill him. You can easily destroy things like iron with Nen and you can even kill an human with a single hit. Killua, who is a novice has been able to beat an army alone. It's not that the weapons can hurt him a little but he has the firepower( his basic nen skills + his electricity). During the Hunter exam he beaten his rivals rapidly, he can do the same to any normal army. Even if they launch a missile at him he can easily dodge it, or destroy it and I don't think normal guns would hurt him if he uses Ten. It's almost impossible for normal armies to beat them.