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Crescent Jinx

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Those costs were nothing compared to cutting your job from 5 nights to 4.

And if you weren‘t blocked why did you make up the whole story of using alchemy and being blocked?
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A mafia lover has it easier with getting his townie to trust him than the other way around, despite us changing the rules related to them winning like that, Threesome buffs and other things. I guess they don‘t wanna lie to 4 nakamas?
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I personally would never betray my Lover even if I were on the Mafia side :bishie.
:grumble:grumble:grumble:grumble

Gry as the townie lover and you as the mafia lover to a group of Panda, Lambu, Belserion, Erinyes. Who would you choose?
 

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Those costs were nothing compared to cutting your job from 5 nights to 4.

And if you weren‘t blocked why did you make up the whole story of using alchemy and being blocked?
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A mafia lover has it easier with getting his townie to trust him than the other way around, despite us changing the rules related to them winning like that, Threesome buffs and other things. I guess they don‘t wanna lie to 4 nakamas?
I remember a certain person who was a mason mafia lover but never lied to even the mason that can't win with them :nah
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I personally would never betray my Lover even if I were on the Mafia side :bishie.
Glory to LOVERS :allthe
 

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I remember a certain person who was a mason mafia lover but never lied to even the mason that can't win with them :nah
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but yeah digi,vand,crescent team seems strong i guess stars alligned nicely for us
 

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Someone give me the link to the dead pad. I am bored.
 

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but yeah digi,vand,crescent team seems strong i guess stars alligned nicely for us
Well in the span of 2 phases 4 mafia + 1 Santa were killed. So things do happen. :XD
Day 3 - Janitor Lynched
Night 3 - Mafia Boss Poisoned and Santa Killed
Day 4 - Detective Prosecuted and Escort Lynched
Night 4 - Boss dies

Plus the one kill a night with 3 killing parties especially considering Uber died learning and not to one of the parties, I think :XD So no parties did anything N2. So just bad luck. :XD
 

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Thanks for the game, @Lambu, it was a pretty fun one. Congrats to the townies for the win, and love to my teammates (and the lover trio) for being tragic heroes
We'll get 'em next time.



Mafia seemed really weird, @Vandred wtf happened? A team of you, Cres, Seraph, Bel and DD I‘d imagine to be super good, especially with those roles. Mafia Det, Bomb, Boss, Escort and Janitor? And who knows what sick stuff you had as your HT. You guys seemed so disconnected at day phases, while it‘s good to not leave any obvious links behind tying you together something like Bel‘s lynch with only 3 people on her was very preventable. The Det and SM could‘ve been killed pretty early too.
Don't ask me, I wasn't the boss of this gig ¯\_( '3')_/¯ Speaking for myself I certainly didn't shine much, can't say I came up with any good plan or play. Don't know about the rest of the team, but it was fun playing with them.

The fake Det was killed as soon as he revealed, the real Det was fooling around instead :rolleyes: And desin mentioned going to check on Erin first so maybe that's why he dropped the priority list for the night - we knew Pom was real Doc and there were Holt and James to take care of.

"Who knows what sick stuff you had as your HT" sounds about right though, meaning the part about not knowing :nerd I said this to Lambu already, but the cost part of HT was pretty intimidating. I personally thought it could even be something that endangers the whole team, and I also figured I had a chance to get a stone pretty early since I finished D1 with 60%... But by the time I had reason to use it, I was on my way to my lynch :fan I did use it just in case though, and it was a good enough upgrade but not really game-changing on its own.

By the way, I wonder if you believed or payed attention to what I said right before my lynch about having started the day with the numbers to force a townie lynch. I wasn't lying about that :nerd


Other than all that, I suppose we had the usual memery like failing all the coin flips we and Asako could possibly fail, from what I'm told. And for the record, I thought I remembered Santa being Priority 3 - which makes more sense to me - but he's actually Priority 2, which makes his poisoned gifts happen before any other role's kills. That's just wrong, in my opinion, and those should become Priority 3 like for an Insane Doc does when he kills. I'm not even sure if that means a Sane Doc would have to win a coin flip to save someone from a Santa gift containing a kill, actually...


Mafias were nice keeping me alive while they knew who I was and my role, but it felt like they blackmailing me to work with them and make me so I couldn't even lynch one for town to trust me.
I was so ready in the day phrase they backstab me and lynch me if they ever got the det out.
To think that I even told Seraph right away that I would be okay with bringing you onboard to cooperate together in bringing down the town


What can i say,i made a choice. Wether it was right or wrong is another question. :feelsbadman
To think we even gave you our blessing to win with your real team and helped you find your TSC
 

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Those costs were nothing compared to cutting your job from 5 nights to 4.

And if you weren‘t blocked why did you make up the whole story of using alchemy and being blocked?
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Yeah, those costs were nothing. Also it is 3 nights if I remain unblocked. 1 gift night 1 plus human transmutation which does not end your night action and then 2 gifts in night 2 and night 3 and voila, victory. I should have just been brave and brace the costs and this could have been a quick game.^^

Because I was REALLY blocked. >.<
And i wanted to hide that I had an active role so much I thought up this idea of using the part that I got no NVD as "proof" that I got blocked doing my alchemy block. Turns out it was the Mafia Escort that blocked me, not Erinyes. <.<
 

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"Who knows what sick stuff you had as your HT" sounds about right though, meaning the part about not knowing :nerd I said this to Lambu already, but the cost part of HT was pretty intimidating. I personally thought it could even be something that endangers the whole team, (...)
Lmao that's cute, I confused it for the tea button and spammed it N1. It's a shame some unknown party rid the game of me before I got to use it :hmph
 

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By the way, I wonder if you believed or payed attention to what I said right before my lynch about having started the day with the numbers to force a townie lynch. I wasn't lying about that :nerd
I didn‘t believe that, thought you‘re wanting to make us feel paranoid/threatened by hinting at traitors or such. You guys totally should have made someone voteable and bandwagon it. I think someone said you wanted to do that with lawl or someone but it didn‘t work. I think James did a lot to make town win :rolleyes:

Oh and Vand I suggest you to try being BP one of these games, it‘s great.
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And for the record, I thought I remembered Santa being Priority 3 - which makes more sense to me - but he's actually Priority 2, which makes his poisoned gifts happen before any other role's kills. That's just wrong, in my opinion, and those should become Priority 3 like for an Insane Doc does when he kills. I'm not even sure if that means a Sane Doc would have to win a coin flip to save someone from a Santa gift containing a kill, actually...
It‘s because his kills at start were other things that poisoning, most common were a rolechange, so you wanted it to take effect during that night already, so priority 2 seemed fine for it. Nowadays people put directly lethal things on it. Especially Lambu seems to be fond of the poison-gift, I had that too when I was Santa and it hit you.

Though I don’t know whether he should become fully priority 3 just because of those type of gifts which would make other gifts less good to do. I don‘t think so. At least I like the Santa to be less about killing and more about confusion. Giving him a kill can be very strategical yes but wasn‘t intended back when the role and priority was made afaik.
 

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To think that I even told Seraph right away that I would be okay with bringing you onboard to cooperate together in bringing down the town


To think we even gave you our blessing to win with your real team and helped you find your TSC
@SonOfDaws flashbacks but less cutthroat :lmao
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It's broken you mean :feelsgoodman
Usually there‘s a Strongman for it or other stuff, but here it was an upgrade.
 

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Sorry for the late addition, Im through the "MH overload" that I always get when I host a game :XD

NIGHT 1

Town:
  • Uberfayt: Learns from Seraph (P2) >>>> Success! (1/2 learning actions on M.Det)
  • Pompom: Protects GrySun (P2) [Awww] >>>> Success!
  • Holt: Spies on Crescent (P2) >>>> Loses coinflip >>>> Fails due to Block
  • Lawlett: Investigates Panda (P2) >>>> Success! (Guilty)
  • Asako: Targets Gry >>>> Coinflip (Kill)(P3) >>>> Fails for BP protection [fueee...]
  • Erinyes: Uses GT on Gry (P2) >>>> Coinflip (wins) >>>> Success!
  • Panda: Infects Vandred (P2) and performs HT >>>> Success! [my hero...]
  • GrySun: Uses GT on Erinyes (P2) >>>> Coinflip (loses) >>>> Fails due to Block
  • Demonspeed: Guesses Asako & Bel >>>> 1 correct!
  • desin24: Does nothing
  • Gryffindor: Does nothing
Mafia:
  • Seraph: Investigates Gryffindor (P2) >>>> Success! (Prosecutor)
  • Vandred: Blocks James (P1) >>>> Success!
  • DD: Kills Panda (P3) >>>> Success! (Panda dies)
  • Crescent: Uses GT on Holt (P2) >>>> Wins coinflip >>>> Success! [lucky lucky]
  • Belserion: Does nothing
Santa:
  • James: Sends NVD to Uber (P2) >>>> Fails due to Block


NIGHT 2

Town:
  • Uberfayt: Learns from Seraph (P2) >>>> Success! (dies) [ayayayyy]
  • Pompom: Protects Vandred (P2) >>>> Success!
  • Holt: Spies on Seraph (P2) >>>> Fails due to block [man...]
  • Lawlett: Investigates Pompom (P2) >>>> Success! (Guilty)
  • Asako: Targets Pompom >>>> Coinflip (Protects)(P2) >>>> Success!
  • Demonspeed: Uses GT on Belserion (P2) >>>> Coinflip (Win) >>>> Success! [:gent] / Guesses Asako & James >>>> 1 correct!
  • desin24: Checks Panda (P2) >>>> Success!
  • Gryffindor: Does nothing
Mafia:
  • Seraph: Investigates Pompom (P2) >>>> Success! (Doctor)
  • Belserion: Janitor-kills Gryffindor (P3) >>>> Fails due to Block!
  • DD: Uses GT on Demon (P2) >>>> Coinflip (Loses)
  • Vandred: Blocks Holt (P1) >>>> Success!
Santa:
  • James: Send NVD to GrySun (P2) >>>> Success! (1/5 gifts delivered)


NIGHT 3

Town:
  • GrySun: Does nothing
  • Pompom: Protects desin (P2) >>>> Fails due to Block
  • desin24: Checks on Uberfayt (P2) >>>> Success!
  • Holt: Uses LFT to raise to (P1!) / Spies on Gryffindor >>>> Success!
  • Demonspeed: Guesses Asako & DD >>>> 1 correct!
  • Asako: Targets Holt / Performs HT with Stone >>>> Coinflip (Protects)(P2) >>>> Success!
  • Lawlett: Investigates Vandred (P2) >>>> coinflip (win) Success! (Innocent) [dun-dun-duuuuuun]
  • Gryffindor: Uses GT on Lawlett (P2) >>>> coinflip (lose) [phew]
Mafia:
  • Vandred: Blocks Pompom (P1) / Performs HT >>>> Success!
  • Crescent: Kills James (P3) / Performs HT >>>> Success!
  • Seraph: Investigates Lawlett (P2) >>>> Success! (Detective)
  • DD: Does nothing
Santa:
  • James: Sends Poison Gift to Crescent (P2) / Performs HT >>>> Success! (Dies tho) :emobirb



DAY 4:
  • Demonspeed: Guesses Asako and Seraph >>>> 2 Correct! (Joins Lovers at Night) :blushbirb
  • Gryffindor: Prosecutes Seraph >>>> Success!




NIGHT 4 [the Night in which everyone did the Taboo lmao]

Town:
  • GrySun: Performs HT
  • Pompom: Protects Lawlett (P2) / Performs HT >>>> Success!
  • desin24: Checks on Erinyes (P2) /Performs HT >>>> Success!
  • Holt: Uses LFT to raise to (P1!) / Spies on Asako >>>> Success! (dies)
  • Lawlett: Uses LFT to raise to (P1!) / Investigates DD >>>> Success! (Innocent)
  • Gryffindor: Performs HT
Mafia:
  • DD: Does nothing
  • Crescent: Heals herself with Stone / Kills Holt (P3) >>>> Coinflip (win) >>>> Success! (Then dies for Poison)
Lovers:
  • Asako: Targets Lawlett >>>> Coinflip (Protects)(P2) >>>> Success!
  • Demonspeed: Performs HT



DAY 5:
  • Demonspeed: Daykills Pompom >>>> Success!

Well back to the beach, next will be about the Human Transmutation List and the Game Design :lambirb/
 

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Lmao that's cute, I confused it for the tea button and spammed it N1. It's a shame some unknown party rid the game of me before I got to use it :hmph
You were a townie though, literally nothing to lose :nerd And I think you might have been the only one who would have actually died from doing that :XD


I didn‘t believe that, thought you‘re wanting to make us feel paranoid/threatened by hinting at traitors or such. You guys totally should have made someone voteable and bandwagon it. I think someone said you wanted to do that with lawl or someone but it didn‘t work. I think James did a lot to make town win :rolleyes:
Yeah, even though we knew I was a goner, a possibility about trying to get lawl lynched was thrown around, since the team thought there were good chances he was Santa (which is why he was investigated then). Too bad the Det and Santa roles were actually inverted :lambirb


Oh and Vand I suggest you to try being BP one of these games, it‘s great.
One day :')


It‘s because his kills at start were other things that poisoning, most common were a rolechange, so you wanted it to take effect during that night already, so priority 2 seemed fine for it. Nowadays people put directly lethal things on it. Especially Lambu seems to be fond of the poison-gift, I had that too when I was Santa and it hit you.

Though I don’t know whether he should become fully priority 3 just because of those type of gifts which would make other gifts less good to do. I don‘t think so. At least I like the Santa to be less about killing and more about confusion. Giving him a kill can be very strategical yes but wasn‘t intended back when the role and priority was made afaik.
To be fair, Santa's balance issue always eludes my comprehension - I can't quite figure out when the role can be considered to have an edge and when it's weak instead, compared to the other more straightforward roles that don't bring so many variables into their mechanics. But one thing I can say about this particular instance is that I love how the role managed to mess with our (well, mine at least) perception of the game with that first NVD gift, since confounding and trying to steer everyone else into chasing some fake trail by means other than killing is where the role can shine, in my opinion.

So giving it rolechange presents that turn people into a Bomb or PGO is fine in that regard - giving it direct kills... not so much. Especially if he's more effective at them than everyone else for no real reason.
 
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