Discussion Lo Po Bia Goruro

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Not sure why it's said that Kirin is a/the traitor. It's certainly Goro. Now, Kirin may be pretending not to know to either a) catch him in the act or b) he's also in on it or independently betraying Rei so allowing it to play out with Goro's betrayal. But those are in no way certain. What is certain is Goro's betrayal.

 

[Lo Po Bia]

Really?!?! I guess I don’t think much of the entire LPB. Not sure that status means much there’s nobody on the mothership lol! Besides Laura, JJ, Kirin, and Gogu what other civilian have you seen?… just the fodder soldiers lol

In addition to Koruro are the BH, he who is one even said that some were sleeping and others are in front

 

[sazon]

The BH are the "Captains of the Gotei 13" of the LPB family while Lobadon and Kirin are the "squad zero".

It's implied by Lefav that you need to be a top 200 to be BH.

Therefore, all BH are powerful, the difference is that there is Dokoko who only depends on his shinheuh and there is also Pudidy who guarantees himself in a cqc with an elite of the Ha family.

It was already made clear that above the BH only the 2 that command the family in the absence of Traumerei, the "regents" and it was also said that the top 3 were Pudidy, Perseus and WgW.

Now, this we're talking about forces in the light of day. If Pudidy was only a top 10 and he appears to be the strongest BH, it implies that he is only the 10th strongest in the family, even if we count Rei, Lobadon and Kirin, this account should hit top 5, not 10.

One of two, or they just ranked the top 10, without saying a strength order, excluding Kirin, Lobadon and Rei. Or in fact there are at least 6 more people who are stronger.

Here comes Koruro, he may be a BH, but given his VC status Hollam doesn't count him as one of them.

It's confusing because this information was said by different characters, in theory, Perseus knows a lot more about the family dynamics than Hollam.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

The BH are the "Captains of the Gotei 13" of the LPB family while Lobadon and Kirin are the "squad zero".

It's implied by Lefav that you need to be a top 200 to be BH.

Therefore, all BH are powerful, the difference is that there is Dokoko who only depends on his shinheuh and there is also Pudidy who guarantees himself in a cqc with an elite of the Ha family.

It was already made clear that above the BH only the 2 that command the family in the absence of Traumerei, the "regents" and it was also said that the top 3 were Pudidy, Perseus and WgW.

Now, this we're talking about forces in the light of day. If Pudidy was only a top 10 and he appears to be the strongest BH, it implies that he is only the 10th strongest in the family, even if we count Rei, Lobadon and Kirin, this account should hit top 5, not 10.

One of two, or they just ranked the top 10, without saying a strength order, excluding Kirin, Lobadon and Rei. Or in fact there are at least 6 more people who are stronger.

Here comes Koruro, he may be a BH, but given his VC status Hollam doesn't count him as one of them.

It's confusing because this information was said by different characters, in theory, Perseus knows a lot more about the family dynamics than Hollam.

I for one await your chart.

 

[hblock]

It's implied by Lefav that you need to be a top 200 to be BH.

More like when you reach the top 200 in the ranking, you're 100% sure to be a BH. No way LPB family alone have 23+ top 200 HRs.

 

[sazon]

More like when you reach the top 200 in the ranking, you're 100% sure to be a BH. No way LPB family alone have 23+ top 200 HRs.

And why not?

They are one of the most militarily active families in the tower. And practically every top high ranker we've seen until now are from the 10F.

They are probably the top 3 family with the most branches (must be second only to Koon and Hendo Lok). In the end, having more top 300 doesn't mean they are the strongest, just the ones that move the most, the tower has been at peace for thousands of years.

 

[hblock]

They are one of the most militarily active families in the tower. And practically every top high ranker we've seen until now are from the 10F.

Let me guess, just because they received the most devlopement among the 10 GFs until now (by far), you're gonna assume they have the most branches and HRs within the highest spectrum ?
I mean, they were never described as the family with the most branches, DDs, biggest army, strongest army, strognest FH, highest number of wives, or so. Thus, I'd rather argue that SIU wanted to show us what an average (or below average ?) GF looks like in terms of military structure throughout the LPB family.

Not to mention that aside from the FH and the two regents, it's highly likely that the main family has few other top 300 HRs. Pudidy, one of the top 3 BHs (arguably the strongest) is only a top 10 fighter. That's easily more than 25 HRs which is noticeably more than a 1/10 of the total HRs in this highest range.
Based on this fact, I even suspect some BHs to be beneath top 300 (you need to beat one if you want to reach this highest braket according to Evankhell).
Also, just checked in the wiki. Apparently, the Khun family is the one holding the most branches among the 10 GFs (since Edahn has the most wives) while nothing special is mentionned when it comes to the LPB family. Also, the number of branches is apparently proprtional to the number of wives/husbands of the FH.

Overall, the most rational conclusion about Lefav's statement is that hitting the top 200 is simply way too high for being rejected a BH position, whereas it's very possible to become one with a lower ranking and highly likely that some BHs are beneath the top 200.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Not to derail this minor disagreement, but it is time long enough SIU gave us a bit more details as far as rough structure and size of families, war power, etc. For example, in Bleach, we had a rough outline of character design of each of the Espada pretty early in the HM arc. We knew the count, and silhouette. We can drill down later in each backstory and unique powers, but it wouldn't hurt for more exposition and general world building. There would still be plenty of room/runway for mystique and surprises. But for the most part SIU is just giving us relevant real-time data still 500+ chapters in on a relatively low floor. All the while throwing out some hints at big picture lore that really doesn't get fleshed out. When was even the last big lore drop or important character bio/backstory?

SIU, let's not milk this thing until your carpal tunnel causes your wrist to seize up permanently or you die of old age. Lore, lore, gimme more.


As far as total family size... I guess it might be a function of libido more than anything. There's not a lot of wars going on to lose any rankers due to conflict, and rankers live effectively forever. So, there's little risk of shrink pressure for family size. That would mean only blue skies for how many kids are created/born/adopted. And interest in marriages/procreation can probably change many times for a FH over tens of thousands of years. Eduan is likely to have a consistent high libido. Although his offspring are known to kill each other in competition. So, I take it back - rankers can conceivably be lost due to internal conflict almost exclusively. Same for family princesses although those are rarer. Rei, on the other hand, seems to have been in a funk for a while now. Probably a lower libido but still an interest in creating family members via experiments.

So, who tf really can guess to relative family sizes?

 

[Aliblack]

As far as total family size... I guess it might be a function of libido more than anything. There's not a lot of wars going on to lose any rankers due to conflict, and rankers live effectively forever. So, there's little risk of shrink pressure for family size. That would mean only blue skies for how many kids are created/born/adopted. And interest in marriages/procreation can probably change many times for a FH over tens of thousands of years. Eduan is likely to have a consistent high libido. Although his offspring are known to kill each other in competition. So, I take it back - rankers can conceivably be lost due to internal conflict almost exclusively. Same for family princesses although those are rarer. Rei, on the other hand, seems to have been in a funk for a while now. Probably a lower libido but still an interest in creating family members via experiments.

I think it’s a matter of the quality of their members too. The quality can also determine how many top high rankers they can have. For example, SIU has said that even among ten families, Yeon Yihwa comes from a very rare family. Girls are born once 100 years in the Yeon family. Then, he continues that that’s the reason someone like Yihwa can put someone like Ran to shame if she brings her power under control. Compared to the Khun family, which most members are pure trash as Lord Parakewl always used to say, the Yeon family’s daughters are pure gems. Eduan has probably produced many children but they are not as good as the Yeon family when we consider their number of children. What’s most impressive is that Yeon’s daughters don't come from the family head but Illarde. There might be really a contract with an admin regarding this matter. The contract may give her power to produce children of high talent like they’re from Yeon herself. All in all, the Khun family is still higher in rank because they have too many children.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I think it’s a matter of the quality of their members too. The quality can also determine how many top high rankers they can have. For example, SIU has said that even among ten families, Yeon Yihwa comes from a very rare family. Girls are born once 100 years in the Yeon family. Then, he continues that that’s the reason someone like Yihwa can put someone like Ran to shame if she brings her power under control. Compared to the Khun family, which most members are pure trash as Lord Parakewl always used to say, the Yeon family’s daughters are pure gems. Eduan has probably produced many children but they are not as good as the Yeon family when we consider their number of children. What’s most impressive is that Yeon’s daughters don't come from the family head but Illarde. There might be really a contract with an admin regarding this matter. The contract may give her power to produce children of high talent like they’re from Yeon herself. All in all, the Khun family is still higher in rank because they have too many children.

It seems the Khun members have quality *for the ones that survive* killing each other. The cream rises to the top, the rest are killed in Darwinian fashion.

Pooping out a princess every 100 years on the dot seems like a ceremony almost. Illarde the egg-layer? Ceremonial sex?

 

[Demonspeed]

The Khun Family is one of the strongest though. And Eduan has more children than most. Bloodmadder is probably the only one with more descendants.

The Yihwa comment is sometimes exaggerated, in the end it basically means that she is a special snowflake in her family. It applies to Ran as well. Plenty of Baam's companions have something special compared to their entourage.

 

[Aliblack]

The Yihwa comment is sometimes exaggerated, in the end it basically means that she is a special snowflake in her family. It applies to Ran as well. Plenty of Baam's companions have something special compared to their entourage.

SIU talks about her family being special and that's the reason that makes her special too. The snowflake effect is like what we saw in the Kallavan case. Best warriors survived after each deadly clash and left their descendants. This cycle of killing continued to Kallavan. Kallavan was the best product of this process. This is completely different from Yeon Yihwa or any of Yeon's daughters.

 

[Demonspeed]

SIU talks about her family being special and that's the reason that makes her special too. The snowflake effect is like what we saw in the Kallavan case. Best warriors survived after each deadly clash and left their descendants. This cycle of killing continued to Kallavan. Kallavan was the best product of this process. This is completely different from Yeon Yihwa or any of Yeon's daughters.

I do agree that Yihwa is special. Just not that she is necessarily more gifted than Ran because it's been used this way by people so many times even though SIU himself said that he doesn't know how strong Ran will end up becoming.

 

[Fortress of Solitude]

Evankhell had explain her master gave two flames to Yeon Hana one who can resurrect everyone and one who can burn everything in chapter 444.
The children of the Yeon family use to born with them but after thousand and thousand of years nowadays no one still born with one of the flame except Yihwa that why she can burn a ranker when she was still a child.

 

[Cinera]

Considering what we know about Branch Heads, it's safe to assume he's Top 200/300 material for the very least.

Lefav was Top 300, but was only a Branch Head representative. She said that she would be made a Branch Head if she's Top 200.

 

[kkck]

it's pretty unlikely all branch heads are top 300. There's 10 families, zahard's family and the empire's military....it sounds like a lot of people and there are always plenty of taken positions. 13 irregulars, slayers, presumably some wolfhaikson members, evankhel, multiple princesses, jinsung.... There could easily be 10 branch leaders per family as far as we know.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Lefav was Top 300, but was only a Branch Head representative. She said that she would be made a Branch Head if she's Top 200.

Similar to what has been said previously by @hblock, I don't think being Top 200 is necessarily a "must" to be a Branch Head. Rather, I think it's a condition that will make you one with absolute certainty. Below that, you may or may not become a Branch Head.

If every Branch Head has to be Top 200, I think numbers don't add up at all. 20 Branch Heads, 2 Regents, and 1 Family Head for a total of 23. This at the very worst represents 11.5% of the slots for the Top 200. There's likely to be more than 23 though, since Pudidy was regarded as only one of the Top 10 Warriors of the Family, and given the structure the LPB Army seems to have, it's very likely there'll be Corps Commander equivalents in it. Assuming Traumerei, both Regents, and the Top 3 BHs are all in this Top 10, we could be looking at something that is up to 27 slots quite easily (13.5% of the Top 200).

11.5-13.5% of the Top 200 for a single Great Family that isn't even one of the three strongest is far too much. There's 10 Great Families, the Zahard Empire, FUG, Wolhaiksong and other beasts that should not belong to any of these organizations.

In contrast, if you include until Top 300, this number represents roughly 8-9% of the slots, which IMO, is far more reasonable to assume given the structure of the Tower. Going further, if you assume that some Branch Heads have the strength to be within the Top 200/300, but have never killed a Top 300 (a requirement to be among these ranks in most cases), then this number could plausibly be even lower.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Are BHs even a thing outside of LPB??? AA’s and Ran’s mothers are the BHs for their families and I highly doubt they will ever fight!